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anyone have problems with counteract

ran 160,000 mi on my Dunlop SP384 steers using Centramatics and spin balancing. Installed new Michelins, took centramatics and spin weights off, and installed Counteract.

Had an immediate shake in the steering wheel "play". Ran 6000 miles, dismounted one steer, and counteract was bunched up and stuck to the inside of tread face.

It appeared that the beads were wearing away at the rubber of the tire, as when I scooped out, my fingers were black. I dont know if the beads had a reaction to the tire lube used when mounting, or what.

I called Counteract Headquarters, and they said I had the correct amount for the tire, but could "try" adding 2 more ounces.

Bullshit.

I dismounted, scooped, wiped, blew, and vacuumed the beads out of the tire. A MAJOR pain in the #@&, as the beads go everywhere. Everything must be clean and dry when remounting tire, or the bead will leak due to the beads bing stuck on it.

I thought maybe I was a loner on this issue, but a friend had Counteract installed loast weekend, and has a shake as well.

My shake wasnt there before the new tires, but was after with Counteract.

After removing the beads and putting wheel/tire assy on WITH a centramatic, my shake is now much less, if non-exsistent. That proved to me Counteract was the problem.

With Centramatics or tru balance, the assy can still be spin balanced, thereby fine tuning things and gaining maximum balance. No deal with Counteract.

My warning is this-try Counteract if you'd like, but beware, if it doesnt balance things, you have a LONGGG and arduous task of removing the Counteract.

Never again for ME

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yes, the tires were clean and dry, i made sure I was mindful and not "slop" the lube over the bead and into the tire. I was very disappointed, as I thought counteract would be the answer. I ADVISE against using it, simply for the fact that if Tyle there IS an issue, the labor of correcting the problem is huge.

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I have been working with Counteract (CBB) for the past four years, and it was my recommendation they get involved with Let’s Truck and Kevin Rutherford. CBB has been installed in over ten million tires during the past fifteen years.

The only time we have been faced with a problem like this one is when the tire did not seat properly on the rim. The solution to this problem is to disassemble the tire and rim and put it back together. From what I read this is what you did, problem solved.

We are very concerned about the cleanup issue. What did you use for lube?

Just recently I was working with a customer who had too much lube in the tire and a good shop vacuum sucked the beads and lube out in a New York minute.

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Here is a link to a new discussion on tires and lube:

http://letstruck.com/forum/topics/traini...

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i used a normal tire lube, and not an overly large amnt. cant say if its water based or not. Why would or should glass beads "clump" in the first place?

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Counteract has a silicon coating on them so they won't clump due to moisture, the only thing that would make them clump is excess or bead lube or some sort of contamination.

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I am switching to super singles shortly, I have ordered the 16 ounce Counteract beads to put in them.

Do you know if your tires were clean and dry on the inside before they were mounted?

The way I understand the Counteract to work is with static, and they do not rub on the inside of the tire. I am wondering if there was excess mounting grease that got inside the tire that caused the clumping, if so that would cause a out of balance issue.

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I am surprised by your results with having done everything right in the mounting process, I hope we can get more results from more people.

I still plan on trying Counteract because the product makes sense logically and this is the first complaint I have heard. If I run into the same problem I will let everyone know in the next month or two.

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it dont matter how dry the tire is inside,the moisture comes from the air you are pumping into the tire to inflate it,anybody remember when equal came out they had same prob,any moisture will clumb it,most places dont have a really good water an moisture seperator on their air

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Equal is a power that can absorb moisture, Counteract is glass and I would think there would have to be a lot of water to get it clump together and stay together.

I do my own tires and have an air dryer in line at my shop, so hopefully this should not be a problem for me.

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You'll get moisture in the tire just by driving the truck down road and get the tires good and hot and then let it set and cool down over night and you'll see exactly on much moisture gets in your tires its a lot

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My take on this is that any kind of balancing is better than non at all. My first choice is centramatics, they just make more sense. They are durable and they balance the whole rolling assembly. With these balancers you can spin balance the tires and wheels off the truck and then put them on over the centramatics for a double balanced assembly. Don't spin balance the tires on the truck with the balancers in place, it won't work.

Logically, I believe beads would be my second choice because they also balance the whole assembly. You can not spin balance the tire with beads inside, it won't work.

You will always have moisture in your tires because compressed air always contains moisture. Even if it is dry from the compressor it will form condensation in the tire because of the heating and cooling of the tire. Clumping will cause an out of balance condition because all the weight is in one place.

Static electricity will cause the beads to kling to the tire as long as they are loose, it shouldn't deteriorate the inside of the tire but if clumped together they will probably move around possibly causing some problems.

Now a salesman told me if you experience clumping simply take a hammer and hit the tire several times to break them up. But he was a salesman.

My third choice is spin balancing. This balances the tire but does nothing to help an out of balance drum.

Many tire manufactures say their tires don't need balancing. True if you happen to get a good tire and most of them are. But how do you know if you have a good tire. When mounting check for proper mount by checking runout. Most manufactures specs are no more than 1/8 " of runout, either up and down motion or side to side motion. A new tire that takes more that 16oz of weight to balance is a bad tire. Don't except it, after you drive on it, more than likely it is yours.

One last thing. You can balance 35 to 40 tires for the cost of one single tire. Why take a chance on balance ruining one.

If balance is not important to you, would you take the balancer off your engine and run it?

Jeff

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Counteract has has the advantage for numerous reasons. They have done tests in fuel economy where other balancing agents have failed. They are currently the only method of balancing that has proven to improve fuel economy. This is due to their patented technology that they are not allowed to advertise in the states. They also keep the tire running at a cooler tire temperature where others may heat it up due to the friction.

They will not clump due to moisture but any internal balancing agent will clump due to bead lube. The trick is to use bead lube sparingly. The throw in bags are there to avoid beads getting stuck between the tire and the rim.

Any tire with aggressive tread and larger lugs need more beads to compensate for the extra weight in the tire. Its better to have more than not enough. I'd suggest adding 2oz to whatever the chart suggests.

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I have 343,000 miles using a Counteract similar product from my tire dealer, same bead style of product. I use it in my wide based drive tires. For the steers, I still use Balance Master rings. Been a good deal thus far. At 320,000 miles, I still had 15-16/32nd across all my wide based rubber. No cupping or uneven wear.

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I thought about using Counteracts in my super singles however, after talking to numerous tire techs decided not to. All of them complained that the beads strip the inside of the tire and make a huge mess to clean up when changing tires. Plus from what I got off their site was that I'd need to put 16oz in each tire (?). Ridiculous. IMO they might increase the tire life by balancing but decrease by a chance of a blow out from a stripped out inside.

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my biggest problem is to much lube and beads get wet clump and freeze in the winter from a bad tire install

they dont you in the shop to watch, they want to charge you again for a bad install???

my worst experience was a major warehouse center in sioux falls sd

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The balancing beads perform much better in a tall , narrow tire. These usually don't work too well in a wide tire with a low profile sidewall such as a wide base single .

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Really? I got 447,000 miles out of my last set of wide based 445/50R22.5 tires. Still had 8 to 9/32 tread left, no uneven wear. Got $150 each for the old tires when I changed them out for new ones. They had balancing beads in them since initial mounting on the wheels. Call Allied Oil and Supply in Des Moines, IA and ask for Joe, the supervisor in tire service. Ask about Cliff Downing's Freightliner and how long the last set of wide based went and what condition they were in.

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You know I thought about trying the counteract beads and then I remembered the problem I had with equal which is also something you put inside tire and it did same thing clump up in a mess so I guess I'll just stick with something I know works.

Thanks For the Heads Up

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We shall see if I have any problems. I just had Counteract installed today in my wide base single trailer tires. I wanted to use the Counteract because the wide base single tires are so large the Centramatics have their work cut out for them to get the tire balanced. So far I like them. I have less vibration that I did before. The vibration I have now I am sure is from the drive tires. It's there even bobtail. I have aluminium outside and steel inside so the steel rims are probably the problem.

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Don't all beads eventually turn to dust inside the tire? Since they are not made to last use after use, the concept is that you go out and buy another packet of beads for new install. Why use ceramic then? It's a mess to clean up. Because it makes more money for CounterAct?

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Mine have never turned to dust. Maybe you are confusing something like Equal to balancing beads. Not sure how polymeric beads could turn to dust.

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Do you re-use the old counteract for new install?

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Glass and ceramic is really dense/hard, does it not hurt the rim??

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Have re-used the beads in some of my tires. As for hurting the rims, well, if that is the case, my rims didn't get the memo. They are doing just fine.

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Here at Redneck Diesel Performance in Hutchins, TX. we have been using CounterAct beads on all of our tire installs. (they are also being used in our fleet of trucks) In almost 2 years of installing them, we have not had any problems or complaints so far.

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Solution to bouncy tires is break bead lubrcate bead turn wheel inside tire and reseat with tire mounted on wheel on top of a soap bucket or something that won't contact the tire or wheel inflate and make sure the bead line runs parallel to the wheel and the wheel isn't bent this will end the bouncy til u wear out the tires

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