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buy a used truck - def or not

I am in the market to buy my first truck - yes I bought the "stop holding the steering wheel & start driving your business". I was told by mechanics that late 2011 or 2012 trucks have solved the big issues with DEF and I should buy a Volvo or Kenworth - automatics. I really like the automatics myself. Now these trucks are a little pricey (50 Grand plus) and before that the prices go down. I would like your opinion on this mater - it will help me in my search. Thank you

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I can speak from personal experience,my 2008 with EGR & DPF was absolute nightmare. I could not make enough money to keep it going. I don't know anything about the SCR trucks, but the underhood temperature is much lower than DPF only. I was told the regen temps go up towards 1000 degree's on the first DPF only's. Mine had numerous part failures because of this. It had extensive warranty work. The heat is the real culprit on the 2008- 2009 Volvo engines. The other post's I have read all have very sound advice. My truck had a belt tensioner come apart in western kansas. Life span on them I was told is 250 K. No shop will touch a Volvo engine, even on belts. I had four Cummins shop & Detroit within 50 miles. I had to have a service call from Denver,Amarillo or Wichita. That belt & tensioner was a $1000.00 fix. Had a tech ( not dealer) drive up with parts and the two tools from Amarillo. Should have replaced them sooner,I had no idea in 250 k they crap out.I only share this tiresome tale because I don't hear anyone speaking about that side of ownership. The "Hang On Parts " as they are called by the Volvo guys cannot hold up. I had a Volvo sales person tell me quote" We don't know what those engines are going to do, we just wait for people like you to buy them and see what happens". GEE Thanks I was glad they were on my side LOL.

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If you want to stay out of the shop as much as possible and MAKE (keep) more money in the long run, buy a GLIDER truck with a 1998 Emissions Series 60 Detroit Diesel. Everything out there from 2008 on EXCEPT GLIDERS with PRE-EMISSIONS ENGINES are problematic and expensive to repair. 2007 or older trucks are getting to the point where they're worn out so you need to find a newer option. GLIDERS, new or used are the key to success in my humble opinion. I own three of them and will never own anything else. California doesn't like them and I don't like California so we're all good as far as I'm concerned.

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Do you need a CA compliant truck? Where are you based out of? I would never buy a truck with EGR, DEF, SCR, DPF......Absolutely no emissions!!!! Unless you absolutely have to run CA don't buy an emissions truck. 2003 or older trucks only, these trucks will make you way more money, cost less in maintenance, get better fuel economy, and break down far less. The only exceptions are gliders with pre emission engines. I wouldn't run a 2011 or 2012 truck if you gave it to me.

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I think the biggest problem drivers are having with dpf and Def trucks is finding somebody that knows how to work on them. I've got 2011 with Def the truck been in shop one time for 1 injector in the last 2 years as for fuel mileage it's better than the last 9 trucks I've owned and I've ran the same route for the last 40 years so I can't complain about mpg

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Mel, I'm glad your truck is working for you. You know as well as I do, that for every one person like you that has a good emissions truck there are 20 people who don't. I own a 99 and a 03 they never need engine work and I average over 8.5mpg hauling 80,000 in the northeast. I paid less than 14K for each truck and my maintance cost is only at 9.5 cents per mile. The newer trucks are just too big of a risk. I see new people who think they need a newer truck and then fail all the time due to high costs and emission related problems.

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If your needing a truck that can go to CA I would definitely stick with one that has Def I believe they have less trouble than the ones with just a dpf at least ways mine does

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I would buy the the least truck I could get by with, pay for it then step up over a period of time which will give you time to figure out how to run your business and handle your money. Stay away from the DEF and EGR stuff, they are crap and a lot of money when they start giving trouble. More guys fail due to getting over their head in debt than anything. As far as the automatics, I enjoy the the skill of swapping the gears so I prefer manual transmissions.

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So far everyone has the same answer - stay away from DEF - I think I will

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I wouldn't make my decision so quickly there's a lot of other factors to decide such as are getting your own authority or leasing to a company. If your leasing to company you want to find out their lanes of travel cause they may require you to have a CA complaint truck. Then depending on often want to get home is going to determine the company you lease to so they could have a truck requirement. Then there' s freight rates some areas are higher than others. I run CA cause I like getting home every 5 to 6 days and most of all I like the money matter fact I am head home now and won't be back out until end March or first of April of next year so I'll put up with CA complaint truck for now.

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There's group of about 20 us that bought CA complaint trucks 6 were trucks that just have dpf filters and the rest have DEF now the trucks with just dpf are junk always in the shop now the ones with DEF the rarely see a shop and if they do its always Cummins shop and we always require them to do the same testing as it was under warranty and we never leave having a problem everything is fix

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Thank you for the insite. I have lots of things to learn. I have decided on 2011's and up. I drive a 2007 Volvo now and only a few places can fix it.

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