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Hello, I am looking at purchasing a new 2012 ProStar+ that has the maxxforce 13. I have tried researching this engine on the internet, but all I seem to find is articles writen by reporters. I am looking for some real time O/O feed back. The truck is a skyrise with an 18 DO trannie and 3:55 rearends 22.5 rubber. What I am trying to find out is reliablity issues and fuel mileage. According to most of the online articals they say this engine is horrible! I'm trying to stay away from SCR as long as possible, but I don't want buy a major lemon just to avoid SCR. Any feed back and or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Dave

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I own a 2013 International Prostar Maxxforce with 325,000 miles & fuel pump started leaking diesel. Went to Dealer to purchase O-rings & was told that pump is no serviceable. Must purchase a new one, there aren't sheep. No power going up the hills loaded or empty.

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These Maxxforce motors have put many good Trucking companies out of business. I bought 8 2011 Prostar's W/ maxxforce used in 2013, the dealer pretty much lied to my face in 2013 about fuel enconomy and reliability of these maxxforce motors.

They haven't managed to put me out of business... But they have managed to zap $ 900,000.00 of my money Capital !!! You know !!!! The funds we as good business owners depend on to fund the growth of our businesses. I have NEVER been so let down in my life by IHC (!&&* terrorist aren't as bad as IHC)

I moved to the U.S.A from Canada when I was 13, I took my American citizenship and %#*@ proud of it ! So when an American company like IHC (based in Illinois) lies to you and causes you to lose your life savings it's hard to swallow !!!! These kinds of things you would expect from a terrorist, NOT an American icon like International Harvester !!!!!!

There is a class action law suit currently in motion... We all know how they go ! I paid $ 69,000.00 each for my IHC w/ maxxforce motors in 2013, I managed to sell 4 of them for $ 23,000.00 each in 2015 ! My latest offer on them.... $ 12,500.00 !!! Yep that's $ 12,500.00 !!! These trucks only have 475,000 miles on them.

If I would have bought any other brand of motor / trucks with these kind of used truck spec's and low miles, they would still be worth $ 40,000 to $ 50,000 per truck !

So... To answer your question !!! I pray that you don't buy a maxxforce engine ! !&&* I'm going to say... Don't buy IHC at ALL !!! After what they've done to the Trucking industry they should suffer the same result as they've caused others (I believe it say's "an eye for an eye & tooth for a tooth " )

IHC... Is going to remember me !!! After I sell off what is left of my business You can find me in front of as many IHC dealerships, plants, headquarters as I can protesting and explaining what they've done !!!!

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google m1m egr.......there is a solution!

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Now I know why these international trucks with maxxforce 13's in them are so cheap with low miles on truckpaper

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The problem is not the motor the motor is actually made by caterpillar that's what a maxxforce is it is a great motor the problem is is that International added all that emissions crap and on this truck it is a huge problem it'll be in the shop once a month I have the same truck I finally got sick of taking it to the shop and paid diesel spec to delete it it cost me $4,000 it was worth every penny also don't ever buy an automatic they are full of electronical glitches but if you can get a standard truck and delete the motor you will 100% be in a better shape it will be a good truck for a cheap price at that point don't even think about trying to run it with the EGR and the filters on it they can even delete it in such a way that not anybody can tell not even California hope this helps I run one today as we speak deleted have not had a check engine light on in over a year

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What was it that you deleted exactly? I’m interested in finding where I can take make trucks. So that they won’t have problems with loosing power and that , I have small fleet of 4 and 3 are prostar with maxxforce

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Why are trying to avoid SCR? I have ISX Cummins that uses SCR and this motor been great the MPG is good its better than the Detroit series 60 I had so much trouble with that Detroit I would never own another one

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Stay stay away, I don't care if the truck is cheap or how nice it is. A friend of mine had one, It never worked a month without going into the shop. And those shop bills were $4500, $6000, he once paid $9000 and was in the shop 3days later....most shops dont know how to deal with them, they ll just send you to a dealer. he went bankrupt and took the truck back to the dealer. Find an older truck or a glider and don't go into Cali!

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m1m EGR ..GOOGLE IT! IT WILL FIX YOUR PROBLEM

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Well, my past employer/lessor had tested some ProStar+ trucks with this particular motor and they too had nothing but horrible things to say about it. In fact, it was in the shop more than 3x as often as it's worst SCR competitor, due to problems with International's Massive EGR system. They found it was best suited for short-hauling containers in their new intermodal division, not doing team expedited LTL work or OTR work with owner/operators.

The Pete 587 and KW T700 were the worst SCR competitors, but their issues were mainly due to ride, quality, driver ergonomics and fit/finish, not engine problems.

The International and PACCAR trucks dismally failed for a team LTL operation when they were tested, and the drivers at my past employer chose an unlikely candidate: the Volvo VNL64T 780. Some of them were spec'd with the XE13 fuel efficiency package. Though there were a few "bad apples" in that test fleet, the Volvo 780 and 780 XE13 delivered very high fuel economy- even without I-Shift and the XE13 upgraded powertrain- and for the most part, the testers loved how the Volvo VN 780 was set up. The DEF tank was almost a non-issue, just like adding engine coolant or washer fluid. And the drivers loved the smooth, remarkably quiet operation of the Volvo truck.

Massive EGR is not suited for LTL and OTR operations because of the amount of passive regeneration it needs to do when going down the road. In fact, it works better (is more reliable) if you haul heavy. Parked regeneration was quite common with the ProStar+, as were issues with EGR valves, turbo chargers, leaks and computer problems. The test drivers also did not like the lack of power, even when it was turned up (they sometimes called it "Lacks-force" or "MaxxFarce"). You would effectively have to re-learn how to drive with it.

The fuel efficiency? It was nowhere near International's claims. MaxxForce had a 5.5 MPG average (versus 7.1 for the pre-SCR Detroit DD15, PACCAR MX and Cummins ISX, 7.5 for the DD15 with SCR, 8.1 for the Volvo D13 and 8.2 for the Volvo XE13 with nearly identical power specs on the engines).

Do yourself a favor: stay away from MaxxForce (for now) and wait until the 2014 revision comes out. If you can't wait for MaxxForce with SCR, and you must have a brand-new factory-spec truck (assuming you live in California, work for a fleet with a 5 year rule or you are independently wealthy), bite the bullet and switch to a truck with an SCR-equipped engine.

The Volvo VN 780 (and VN series, for that matter), Freightliner Cascadia and Mack Pinnacle, along with the above-mentioned PACCAR/Peterbilt/KW products, seem to be far more reliable than the ProStar+. Although I hear of a few gripes every now and then (P$$$ tank is a commonly heard phrase for DEF tank), most of the drivers seem to only have praise with how well SCR was implemented.

I often joke about how often I see the brand-new trucks sitting roadside waiting on a tow, and that's definitely the case with Internationals with MaxxForce MEGR.

Your best option? Get a glider kit or used truck with a rebuilt CAT, Cummins or Detroit engine. Those seem to be far more reliable.

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International will no longer be making the MaxxForce engine as it does not conform to the 2010 Engine Emissions standard. International had built up enough credits and pay penalties for the engine to squeak through the governmental okay process. International was sued by other engine manufacturers as the other engine manufacturers made engines (SCR) to comply with the 2010 Emission Engines standard but International was allowed to just pay penalties.

International has admitted that EEGR will not meet the 2010 Engine standards and will be installing Cummins ISX engines with SCR in new International Trucks.

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Actually, they only stoped making the maxxforce 15. They are still

Building the maxxforce 13, but starting in Jan. 2013 they will be adding theSCR system. The SCR system (from what I understand) will be supplied by Cummins, but the engine it self will still be the Navestar maxxforce13. Anyone wishing to put a 15 litre engine in there truck that would be the Cummins ISX.

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I have 25 years working at a IH dealer as a service tech, these Maxxforce engines are by far the biggest heap of over engineered crap ever placed between two frame rails. If your buying one I hope you have a buddy with a cummins powered tow truck. I can't even begin to list the issues with those maxxfarce things. All they are good for is to ruin the reputation of good techs and dealers alike. They are a b@#ch to work on and IH don't have a fix for the issues. The 9900i with the ISX 15 or the Prostar with the ISX 15 they are your only options with the IH product.

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I don't own a max force but the service manager at my local international dealer told me to stay away from them.

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I had this problem fuel pump began leaking at the top of diesel pump, they aren't serviceable, so I looked around for best price and found it. Plancatif out of Springfield, MO at $699.00 with $200.00 core with 6 months warranty. I also took the entire DPF to have it baked and vaccumm cleaned in addition I changed a small plastic hose that attaches to a selenoid or sensor that is bolted to the ECM upper left side as you facing the engine from driver side, apparently this is know problem because, they replaced with a metal line molded to fit perfectly. my truck now runs better than most.

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Ramiro.

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Late but a follow up. I have a 2013 Prostar MaxxForce 13 and got it with the Diamond Renewed. That program is cubic zirconia crap. The exhaust brake valve on mine got stuck and wrecked my DPF. They are arguing that the Exhaust Brake Valve isn't covered and aren't--so far--willing to pay 1 dime of the $8500 for repairs I need. I have esaclated it as far as I can and am waiting for an answer back. This truck has averaged 6.7-6.9 MPG running Midwest, down to MS through MO and AR and a fair share of Chicago area traffic.

As a company driver I had a new 2016 Prostar with the Autoshift ISX and averaged 7.9 MPG driving a lot of miles in PA on I80 along with the Midwest and was always pulling reefer and pushing 76-80k loads. Drove 60-63 mph (governed at 63). Had it for the first 65k miles of its life and had no issues.

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Follow up. I got Navistar to cover $7100 of it and ended up,eating only $1500.

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I drove a Maxxforce 13 L , 430 hp Prostar at a large fleet. Fuel mileage was 7.4 mpg. Sometimes it reached 8 mpg running light. Around 200,000 miles, it needed a parked regen at least once a week. I got pulled over 3 times for excessive smoke from the exhaust while the truck was doing a regen while driving. It was so thick and heavy, a Maine DOT officer thought my trailer brakes were on fire. The fuel pump on mine also crapped out and started leaking fuel everywhere.

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