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Are "Gasoline" Generators legal

I just want to know if "Gasoline" gernerators are legal and where they can or cant be mounted?

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I took my truck by the Alabama Highway Patrol Motor Carrier office in Birmingham and let them look at my set up. I have a Honda EU3000 quite gas generator that is strapped down with ratchet straps and secured with chain and a lock. The only thing they told me was that the gas can that I keep strapped next to my generator could not carry gas otherwise they said it was legal. So I carry the can and when I need gas I go get it and pour it into my generator then strap the empty can back in place.

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also mine is mounted on the frame behind my sleeper....

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The Troopers were incorrect, as to the gas can, per 392.52. You are allowed to carry up to 8 gallons.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulatio...

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I have had a gas generator mounted to the frame rails of my truck for

5 yrs. on the left side right behind my sleeper.I run all 48 states and

have never had a problem with any inspection or dot officer.I carry a 2

gallon plastic gas can strapped beside the generator, but it is always

empty as I get my fuel when I park for my break and add it to the

generator tank. I haven't had any problems with that either,and have

found no regulations prohibiting either one.(the generator or the gas can)

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I once found a regulation that said you may not have a generator that is gravity fed. It had to have a pump installed on it. I have a 2000W gas gen. that I have bolted to the rear deck behind the sleeper. It has been on there for over 5 years with no problems. I did in fact see the regulation after i asked someone at Cascade Solutions and they showed it to me. I cant remember where it was. I have never heard of anyone having a problem as long as it was secured properly. Rubber straps are not properly secured. I do store my 2.5 gallon gas can in my side box on the trailer,You must make sure there is plenty of ventalation for the fumes that are there if any.

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Virtually every portable gas generator nowadays that has overhead cam is a pump fed generator. All the Yamaha, Honda, etc portables use fuel pump.

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i have a yamaha 1000 it has a diaphram pump, but my yamaha 2000 does not (yet, it will when i hook it to my 5 gallon fuel tank). since you can get a cap for the honda's to run off an aux tank, i believe they would have a pump.

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Many gas gens, such as the Champion 3500W, is gravity fed. That is why the gas tank is above the rest of the unit.

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here is a diaphram fuel pump, it runs off the fluctuation in crankcase pressure. if you have one on your generator good, if not the generator is likely gravity fed.

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My understanding is if the gas tank is remote, it can't be gravity fed...I used a gas generator for 3 years until I bought a diesel APU.

No problems, just having to hussle gas at the end of the day...the last thing I wanted to do.

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Search the forum. There are a ton of discussions with the regs listed

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Short answer is yes just don't mount it to your truck.

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Regulation please? There are boxes custom made specifically for mounting on trucks for various sizes of gas, propane, CNG, and diesel powered generators, that one can buy.

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Where else could it be, but mounted to the truck?

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This is refered to as a "Material of Trade".

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I think it has something to do with the tank having to be fixed mounted and not strapped down.

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But the regulations do not state that the container with the fuel be fix mounted. Unless there is a specific state regulation that goes beyond the FMCSA regulation, the LEO was wrong. But then, when you get into this kind of regulation territory, most LEO's are not up to speed on the regulations any more than most drivers. I am always amazed with the question of extra fuels crops up every few months. It has been part of the regulations for over a decade in its present form.

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Right or wrong if they ticket you it cost money to fight. Now with CSA if they also decide to place it on a inspection it dont matter right or wrong you get the points. Dont give them the reason.

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That can happen with everything. If one is that worried about CSA, better park the truck. You give them a reason the minute you hit the public roads.

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So the question becomes: what's the best method to reduce the chance of being cited? Legal or not, want to give DOT every reason to *not* cite you. Maybe: mount the generator very securely, and don't carry gasoline in the gas can on the truck, only use it to fill up.

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''''Here is the regs that they showed to me about fuel tanks for auxiliary equipment.......

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulatio...

393.65 (a)(5)(c) 1-10.......... specifically says" mounted and 1-10 are things a plastic gas tank don't have.''''

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The key is "mounted". A gasoline container that is stored in a cargo box is not mounted. And the regulation specifically mentions side mounted tanks. Makes no mention of a container that is located on top of frame rail behind cab. The requirements of the tank you are referencing is tanks that are side mounted on a vehicle. There is no mention that a fuel container must be made of metal. It only gives the requirements of one that is made of metal.

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And if you don't carry gas in the plastic can (you only use it to fill up the generator) then it's empty while driving.

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The best way to store gasoline is get these "fuel packs" and store them in a cargo box.

http://www.rotopax.com/Gasoline/

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I have had a EF2000 Yamaha riding on the frame rail of my truck in a custom designed box that has removable side panels so that the generator can run in the box with the lid closed and secured. Nice and quiet. When the panels are on, no one can tell that I am even carrying around a generator or that I use one. Yep, the generator is gravity fed. I could care less. I don't tell anyone what is in there, and no one asks. I have been DOT'd, and no one asked. I have gone onto secure government installations, had the truck searched, and no one gave a rip. Generator is far quieter than trucks running APU's around me.

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Those are cool, but $54.95 for a 1.75 gallon gas can seems kind of expensive.

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Yes they are. But considering they were designed to take some serious abuse being hauled around on ATV's and being thrown around, might be worth it. They sure shouldn't spring a leak. And they can bounce around and leak no fuel. They can be stored side by side vertical or laid flat in a cargo box and stacked.

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Wonder why manufacturers don't create gasoline APU's, with maybe 5 gal gas tanks to go with them (maybe even with a detachable tank that could be carried over to the gasoline fuel island). Surely they would cost a LOT less than diesel APU's.

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I am considering a shortcut to everything you all has exposed here, a TK tripac unit is nice, but having the $17,000 that it cost in my bank, it`s a lot nicer. My idea may work w/o much investment for my part and w/o much expenses or maintenance, i will like to hear your answers and ideas about it, well they may be coming in fast `cause i am putting this plan to work in few days, want to be ready to make a lot of miles in a week from now and can not work on the truck once i get on the road.

My idea, cutting a window on the back wall of mine 780 Volvo cab and installing there a window AC/Heater unit from Home Depot, in this case it will be the LG Model # LW8015HR, 7,500 BTU Heat/Cool Window Air Conditioner with Remote. It uses 6.6 amps of 110 ac. It cost $429.00 new.

To run this unit properly i will be buying from a friend of mine and bolting to the chassis a used Honda generator, the EM5000SX model, 4,500 working watts, just to have enough juice to run the ac + 40'' tv, microwave, coffee and rice maker and all the rest of the equipment we do have, it will cost me $650, and the generator will be running with propane from a couple of Blue Rhino 20lbs tank (easy to refill/exchange everywhere) from the back of the cab, don`t know yet how many hours can the generator run on a 20 lbs tank of propane but i assume is cheaper than gas, will found out in few days. The generator do have a remote starter, that means that it can be started from inside the cab, or at least that`s what i intend to do.

If some of you know something like this, please let me know, or if you see something you think it won`t work, let me know too, any ideas and comments are appreciated, thanks.

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Well, it won't be cheaper than gasoline doing the Blue Rhino exchange thing. It would be much better to get a mount and tank like those for a forklift and mount it on the rail or catwalk. All the truck stops seem to have propane tank refill service available. I have considered doing this method on my next gas generator instead of using gasoline. I have a liking for Yamaha generators, and there is a company that offers true multifuel versions to them... NG, Propane, or Gasoline, and you can switch between fuels as you want.

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The regulation on no gravity fed fuel systems refer to the fuel system used to power the vehicle, not an separate device like a generator. These regulations were written years ago. The heavy haulers who use small engines to power hydraulic systems for remote steering devices are small generators that are gravity fed. I had small generators for years to power ac and heat while parked, no one even questioned it.

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